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Forum: General Discussion

  • Topic: Definition of Muscle Car
  • Started by tward6 May 24, 2007 at 1:12 am
  • Last post by Randy_W Jun 22, 2007 at 12:20 pm
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  1. #41 May 24, 2007 at 1:12 am

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    I am going to throw one more term in here on you. Jim Wangers referred to the Super Duty Catalina's as Super Cars which was also the FIRST term used to describe the GTO. As Randy has put it many cars have at one time or another been labeled muscle cars including some one would NEVER think about. ie the 1949 Futurematic Oldsmobile( one of the earliest examples of true Detroit Muscle, Ramblers manufactured in the 50's and even the cars of the late 70's, and we all know what type wheezing inept vehicles they were.
    Even before the factories produced high performance cars folks were building them out of what already existed hence the Street Rod crowd. I mean personally I never thought of a Model T, or an Essex as a Muscle Car but put the right drivetrain in it and you got one pretty sweet hot rod that could give many muscle cars a run for their money
    Corvettes from the late 60's most refer to them as sports cars but stick a 427 in it and I call it a Muscle Car. See the point it is all relative to whatever the beholder wishes to refer to it as.
     

     

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  2. #42 May 24, 2007 at 6:58 am

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    would any one call mr Yenco and ask why he added and i quote "muscle" to the camaros that he ordered with 6 bangers?


    That's going to take a long distance call, Don Yenko died in 1987. biggrin image He did indeed add muscle to those cars, and as I said, the term was used by many to refer to various combos, but he didn't create the term, he borrowed it. Most later 60's and early 70's Yenko cars were just COPO cars with Yenko badging. wink image
     

     

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  3. #43 May 24, 2007 at 11:15 am

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    SOME HOW I THINK WE ARE ALL AGREEING HERE.
    ABOUT THE BEGINNING OF THE ERA.
    BUT I BELIEVE THAT IT ENDED IN 1973 WITH EPA GUIDELINES IT COULD NO LONGER BE JUST ABOUT THE HORSE POWER.
     

     

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  4. #44 May 24, 2007 at 11:19 am

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    I think we're all hard headed, anyway! biggrin image By the way, very nice Goat! wink image
     

     

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  5. #45 May 24, 2007 at 11:35 am

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    MY BROTHER HAD A 67 JUST LIKE THAT WITH RED INTERIOR
    GIRLS LOVED IT. AND IT WAS A REAL TREAT TO DRIVE.
    YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF RESTORATION EVEN THE RED LINE TIRES
    IF I MEET YOU AT A SHOW ILL HAVE TO DRIVE IT.
     

     

    MONEY CAN'T BUY LOVE, BUT IT CAN BUY LOADS OF HORSE POWER

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  6. #46 May 24, 2007 at 10:00 pm

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    My last '67 had red interior and a black vinyl top. I bought this car as you see it, I've since removed the red stripes, those bias plies aren't much fun to drive. I guess 40 years ago everybody, including me were use to them, not now! biggrin image I will put them on for certain events but normal driving sucks with them.
     

     

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  7. #47 Jun 7, 2007 at 8:00 pm

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    I like Tom's (tward6) answer with the big long lists however, here is how Wikipedia defines the term Muscle Car: smile image

    "The term muscle car generally describes a rear wheel drive mid-size car with a large, powerful engine V8 engine and special trim, intended for maximum torque on the street or in drag racing competition. It is distinguished from sports cars, which were customarily and coincidentally considered smaller, two-seat cars, or GTs, two-seat or 2+2 cars intended for high-speed touring and possibly road racing. High-performance full-size or compact cars are arguably excluded from this category, as are the breed of compact sports coupes inspired by the Ford Mustang, the "pony car". Another factor used in defining classic muscle cars are their age and country of origin. A classic muscle car is usually but not necessarily made in the US or Australia between 1964 and 1975."

    "An alternate definition is based on power-to-weight ratio, defining a muscle car as an automobile with (for example) fewer than 12 pounds per rated hp. Such definitions are inexact, thanks to a wide variation in curb weight depending on options and to the questionable nature of the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) gross hp ratings in use before 1972, which were often deliberately overstated or underrated for various reasons."

    I don't know anything about Australian Muscle Cars but I do know that GM put a lot of Muscle Cars together in Canada that found their way down here over the years.

    Also, if the Chevy 409 built before 1964 isn't a bonafide Muscle Car, then I don't know what is...just goes to show that whatever your definition of a Muscle Car is, it probably works...unless you're getting your ass beat by a Yugo you're probably OK calling it a Muscle Car...but then, that's just my opinion hyper image

    Oh yeah, as for the AMX...definitely qualifies in my book
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  8. #48 Jun 9, 2007 at 8:43 am

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    I guess I agree more with the alternate definition from Wiki, being more of a horsepower thing. I guess like everything, it comes down to personal opinion more that hard facts. As in the case of my AMX, I believe it is not only a muscle car but also a sports car. I know by some definitions its not a true sports car but then again neither is a Corvette. So I guess its like I always say " believe what you want, you're going to anyway". biggrin image
     

     

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  9. #49 Jun 9, 2007 at 9:41 am

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    I DON'T CARE WHAT U CALL IT ITS A KEEPER
    PS
    I LOVE ORANGE
     

     

    MONEY CAN'T BUY LOVE, BUT IT CAN BUY LOADS OF HORSE POWER

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  10. #50 Jun 10, 2007 at 12:24 am

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    me love orange too.
     

     

    growing up is over rated. growing old just happens

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