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Cars > Challenges > “77” Vs “The Neon”

 

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Halifax, Nova Scotia
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Angelbethany

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Ames, Iowa
United States

 

1977 Chevrolet Camaro LT

“77”

1999 Dodge Neon R/T

“The Neon”

 
Photo of: 1977 Chevrolet Camaro

No longer owned

Photo of: 1999 Dodge Neon
 

Head to Head

 

About “77”

Dad and his buddy Stan rebuilt this Camaro from the ground up. They used a parts car to help. It was a great car. Stan then later passed away due to cancer. The car later was in the shop getting work done and the building burnt down to the ground. Car burt as well. The car would sit you back in the seat and leave you there.

About “The Neon”

I bought my Neon R/T as the second owner from Wiley Dodge in Nevada IA with barely over 20K miles on it.

Now it's getting close to 100K and still running strong.

The car saw a set of tires as it's first mod, followed by a series of motor mounts, brakes, an intake and onward..........and is still being modded today.

I have a Fastfabs long-tube header wating to be coated (and an exhaust waiting to be built) before it goes on, and a set of (now disscontinued) Mopar Performance High-Rate springs (225lb/in front, 185lb/in rear) waiting for some Koni Yellows before install. I also have a full set of Hawk HPS brake pads and ATE Superblue brake fluid waiting for the upcoming autox/track season.

Future plans are in flux, but WILL include a full poly bushing set and F/R STB's for the suspension (plus the springs/struts above), a ported intake manifold/head combo loaded with some streetable cams (Crane 16's??), finishing the exhaust and a few other goodies such as crystal clear headlights.

Plus I would REALLY like to turbo it.........someday.

 

Specs for “77”

350 4 bolt main
high rise aluminum edelbrock dome
3/quarter cam with double chain and gears.
3 speed auto
top end speed 158MPH

Specs for “The Neon”

1999 Dodge Neon R/T Coupe.

"Flame Red" with Silver "Skunk" stripes.




Engine:

420A 2.0L DOHC 16 valve I-4.

It has an 87.5mm/3.445in bore, and an 83.0mm/3.267in stroke, yielding a total displacement of 1996cc/122ci.

It also boasts a 9.6:1 compression ratio, a beefy iron two-piece lower block and free flowing aluminum head.

Claimed 150hp@6500rpm, 131lb/ft@5500rpm (crank) in stock form, with a 7200rpm rev limiter (7000rpm marked redline) and a 130mph top speed governor for R/T and ACR models (mine cut at an actual 127mph).

Most examples are lucky to make >120whp in 100% stock form though, so actual power is likely closer to 140hp (crank) as delivered from the factory. Also, the top speed governor is mostly a formality as mine would only hit it with a tailwind or downslope helping out. 125mph was about it on flat land.




Transmission:

New Venture NV-T350 (also known as the A-578) 5 speed manual transaxle with "Performance A" gearset.

1st 3.54 (34mph at factory rev limiter)
2nd 2.12 (58mph at limiter)
3rd 1.36 (91mph at limiter)
4th 1.03 (121mph at limiter)
5th 0.81 (127mph at top speed governor)
Axle 3.94

Mine, being a Toluca Mexico built version, also came with the NON modular clutch and conventional flywheel.




Suspension/Chassis:

Suspension for all 1st gen Neon's consists of conventional MacPhearson struts with a lower control arm in the front, and a Strut/multilink combo in the rear.

R/T's get the SDE sport suspension featuring linear 150lb/in front and 120lb/in rear springs, with "sport tuned" strut valving. This also consists of a 22mm front anti-roll bar and 16mm rear anti-roll bar, R/T specific 14 X 6in 5 lug alloy wheels and 185/65HR14 Goodyear Eagle RS-A performance all season tires. Finally, R/T's get the quick ratio 16:1 steering rack shared with ACR's.




Braking:

Brakes are BRD 4 wheel discs withOUT ABS.

Fronts are 257mm/10.12in vented discs
Rears are 270mm/10.63in NON vented discs.

These offer good fade resistance in such a light car, and are actually quite controlable under threshold braking.




Misc:

Coefficient of drag is listed as .335 for the coupe. I'll assume that's for a NO spoiler, skinny tired base car. I'm sure mine is more like .35-.36.



Pretty basic really ;)

 

Factory Options for “77”

No factory options listed.

Factory Options for “The Neon”

ALL available factory options for a '99 1st gen coupe.

EXCEPT........antilock brakes.



Power Windows
Power Mirrors
Remote Power Locks
Power Sunroof
Cruise Control
Dual Airbags
R/T "Sport" Trim
Air Conditioning
Rear Defroster
AM/FM/CD radio with 6 speakers
Foglights
Center Console



Etc etc..........the list goes on.



Makes it REALLY heavy for a 1st gen Neon. 2600lbs even with a full tank of gas

 

Mods for “77”

No modifications listed.

Mods for “The Neon”

Engine Performance Modifications:


-Iceman Cold Air Intake

-Outerwears Pre-Filter

-55mm Straight-bored Throttlebody (stock is a 52mm plate and 49mm upper shaft)

-Mopar Performance DOHC Oil Restrictor

-Mopar Performance PCM (7600rpm rev limiter, 149mph top speed governor)

-Mopar Performance Spark Plug Wires (blue = POWER right ;D )

-Modern Performance Underdrive Crank Pulley

-Mobil 1 Synthetic Oil and High Capacity Oil Filter (bumps oil cap. to ~4.9qts for more thermal resistance)

This combo is good for 128.XX whp......about 10whp over an average stock example. See my album for dyno charts........




Transaxle/Driveline Performance Modifications:


-Clutchmasters Stage 1 Clutch (OEM style organic disk, 70% stronger pressure-plate)

-Fidanza 7lb Aluminum Flywheel (vs 18lb stock steel unit)

-Quaffie Helicial Torque-Biasing Differential

-Redline MTL Synthetic Manual Transmission Lubricant (more thermal resistance and slicker shifting at high temps than the stock MTL)

-Mopar Performance Front Motor Mount

-Neongoodies Solid Rear "Bobble" Strut

-Prothane Front, Side and Transmission Mount Polyurethane Inserts




Suspension/Chassis Modifications:


-Mopar Performance 22mm 2-way Adjustable Rear Anti-roll Bar (the car WILL go sideways with injudicous throttle use and/or trailing the brakes too deep, but overall balance is SO much better)

-Mopar Performance Polyurethane Rear Anti-roll Bar Mount Bushings

-Redline Synthetic PS Fluid (more thermal resistance, less prone to boil-over...notice a trend here??)

-Kosei K1 Racing 15 X 7in wheels (13.5lbs) For Summer Tires

-205/50VR15 Falken Azenis RT-215 Tires For Summer Wheels (STICKY!!!)

-195/60HR14 Bridgestone Potenza RE-950 All Season Tires (to repace the crap Eagle RS-A's that came with the car)




Braking Modifications:


-Hawk HPS Front Brake Pads

-O'Reilly's Cheapo Front Brake Rotors (I have yet to find another rotor as crack resistant as these)

-Tires (as above)




Misc. Modifications:


-Sylvania Silverstar Headlamp Bulbs (much better than stock in my discoloring headlamp lenses)

-Modern Performance Clear Front Sidemarkers

 

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