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    Feb 10, 2009 at 10:54 am
    We will need to replace the frame rails and fuel lines on Crystal's 78 here soon... we have the replacement rails already... aside from dropping the rear end the tank... what else is involved with removing the rails? And what really do they do? Are they just to keep the floor pans together.. or are they part of the structure.. etc? My dad asked, and I had no idea... also.. where is a good.. and relatively inexpensive place to get new fuel lines.. preferably stainless...?

     

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    Feb 12, 2009 at 6:15 pm
    Well.. just got in from dropping the tank.. which we were all ready to drain.. to find out that one of our neighbors had already drained it for us before we started.. mad image Anyway.. the tank is off.. but we realized a little dellima... once the rear is dropped, where do we put the jack stands to hold the car up to remove the frame rails?? Cause we can't use the rails if we're gonna take them off... any ideas??? Seems to be one step forward.. 16 steps back.. frown image

     

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    Feb 16, 2009 at 12:23 pm
    Mac,
    I guess you had good reason to move the rear frame rails?? Were they rusted really bad? Otherwise, The front frame and clip is what we usually remove to replace parts as needed. Neither one of my cars were eaten bad enough to remove the rear.
    However, should we remove them, I would simply support the body and to do that, make sure there isn't a lot of weight in the car at the time you support the body. If shop resources are limited, use long timbers to support it from front to rear.

    Send us some photos when you get a chance!
    Ron

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    Feb 16, 2009 at 12:46 pm
    Well, to answer your question, there was a fuel line that was/is leaking ans caused the driver side rail to rot completely away.. Crystal bought a set of frame rails from Summit.. but now we find that they are not replacements.. they are for like building a racecar rear end.. so doesn't look like they will work without SERIOUS work...



    A couple shots of how the car is now..






     

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    1983 WS6 "Wind Charger" (Getting revived)
    1987 GTA "Project WS87" (Under construction)
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    Feb 16, 2009 at 4:15 pm
    Snowman: "Doggone Son! Didn't you know they said this ain't never been done before?"

    But then, with a nickname like MacGuyver, I expect you can do it !!

    Call a guy at TA Central. I will email you his phone number. He can likely send you a good pair of rear GM frame rails.

    Ron

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    Feb 16, 2009 at 4:28 pm
    Snowman: "Doggone Son! Didn't you know they said this ain't never been done before?"

    But then, with a nickname like MacGuyver, I expect you can do it !!

    ...........

    Understand it is better to order them new and weld them in and paint 'em!

    Have fun welding and painting!

    Ron


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    Feb 16, 2009 at 5:24 pm
    Well.. got the rear off, minus one of the emergency brake lines.. lol...

    But had a thought.. looks like there is only a section about 12 inches long that rotted out.. maybe at this point, just cut that section out and weld in some new plating to get the car back together then start looking up what we can find to do it right later down the road?

    Here is a couple new pics of that area...

    This is the driver side rail from the driver side..



    This is the driver side from the rear...



    Driver side from the passenger side...




    But anything anyone knows would be very helpful as we REALLY want this car on the run, but safely.. and budget is a HUGE issue as well.. but everyone that has one of these cars knows that... lol...

     

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    1983 WS6 "Wind Charger" (Getting revived)
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    Feb 17, 2009 at 6:58 am
    Mac--

    This isn't my specific area of expertise, but I would think you should be able to do a repair just on the area if the rest of the frame rail is solid.

    I only visit two sites regularly, this one and http://www.78ta.com. There are several people on 78ta that should be able to assist with advice to keep you on track and on budget.

    I'd also consider calling Dave Hall...

    Best,

    Tinman5

     

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