eOctagon # 64
the American MGB Association's
Online Newsletter
 sent to members of the AMGBA
August 2012


'76 B Chrome Conversion of Ray Huckleberry The AMGBA is North America's oldest and largest club for all MGBs, MGB-GTs and Midgets. A nonprofit organization which was founded in 1975 and offers magazines, emagazines, technical advice, member recommendations on service, body and parts sources, registration of your MG, a tradition of service and FREE member classified ads that appear in the Octagon magazine AND on the AMGBA website (http://www.mgclub.org or www.amgba.com or www.americanmgbassociation.com ).

Welcome to the latest edition of the eOctagon.  We suggest printing this out for ease of reading and for reference.  This is the August issue of your newsletter.  Please continue to send us any comments and/or suggestions.  

Please note: The next issue of the printed Octagon (September) will be mailed in August to our members that receive the printed version.

(top photo:  '76 B Chrome Conversion of Ray Huckleberry

- Frank Ochal, President

This issue contains:
Events Calendar
Classified Ads

AMGBA Meet 2012 - Ocean Grove, New Jersey
Queen B - '
In the News!
Questions and Answers - More on Wire Wheel Conversion
Club Website, Message Board, Blog and Photo Gallery
Club Information

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Events Calendar


17-19     University Motors MG Summer Party in Grand Rapids, MI. John Twist, ph.: 616-301-2888, www.universitymotorsltd.com .

26    23rd Annual Taste of Britain British Car Show, Lancaster, PA. Sally at 717-292-0570, email: sh88keys@comcast.net .


9     26th Annual Chicagoland British Car Festival at Harper College, Palatine, IL, www.britishcarunion.com .

15     35th Annual American MGB Association Meet 2012, www.mgclub.org , 773-769-7084 and Brits on the Beach 2012, Ocean Grove, NJ. Sponsored by Positive Earth Driver's Club, 732-620-2378 or show@PEDC.org , www.PEDC.org .

15     British Car Club of Delaware Annual Car Show, Delaware City, DE. www.bccdelaware.com/BCCD_BattleofBritain%20.pdf , dhenderson@wildblue.net or 302-284-4672.

22     17th Annual British Motor Day on River, Newburgh, IN. David at (812) 853-5108, dmullen@sirbrit.com or www.sirbrit.com .

29    33rd Annual "MGs on the Rocks" British Car Show, Bel Air, Maryland, www.mgsofbaltimore.com .

30     Valley British Auto Club's Clovis British Car Roundup, Fresno. CA. Info at www.valleybritish.org or 559- 352-7968.


7     San Diego British Car Day at Ingram Plaza at Liberty Station. www.sandiegobritishcarday.org .

Please submit news of your event. Events appear on our website at www.mgclub.org, on our message board at http://board.amgba.com, in the printed Octagon, in the emailed eOctagon and on Facebook and Twitter.  Email to events@mgclub.org.   

Classified Ads


1967 MGB. Red with Red interior. Original. Have heritage. New suspension. Runs well. Looks good. Owned since 1992. Need garage space. $6500. ffite@att.net or call John 770-535-1056. *

1971 MGB. Butterscotch/black. Estate - sale purchase, one owner since new, mechanically refurbished modernized, new top, otherwise un-restored original condition. $7,000.00 O.B.O. 304-263-4174. WV

1977 MGB. Powered by a 200hp Ford V6. Remarkably preserved by its owner for the last 24 years. Mechanically well sorted. Priced at only $11,999. Located in Florida. Pictures available call 850-566-2886. *

1977 MGB 1977 MGB. Medium blue, black interior and top. Car was purchased by a friend in 1987. He had the body work done, car repainted and a new top put on. I got the car in 1999. I put in new carpet, door panels, seat, head rest covers and padding. Extra parts. Garage keep. 88,500 miles. $4,900. Call Ed 708-751-0528. **

1979 B 1977 MGB. $9,750. 58,000 miles, runs great; always garaged, excellent condition, no rust; wire spoke wheels; tonneau cover, bra, spare spoke wheel; NEW: carpet (floor and trunk), top, boot, radio, clutch, water pump, and fuel pump; rebuilt dual SU carbs. cmooney@law.upenn.edu . **

1979 MGB. Chocolate/milkshake. Photo - documented restoration on rust-free car using steel - bumper suspension, rebuilt 1972 engine with no-lead head, Weber carb, performance exhaust. $9,000.00. O.B.O. 304-263-4174 WV.

1980 MGB Limited Edition. Black ext., Black int., always garaged. 22,753 original miles. Sony AM/FM/CD player CDX 3700. $15,000. Call 618-635-3788 or 618-635-8089. IL


1963 Engine with transmission, carb, tach drive. Have been in garage and shed for 20 years. $550 or offer. Ph.: 812-371-9111. IN *

MGB Seat Set. New custom upholstery installed over new foam and webbing on refurbished frames. Includes new teardrop style head rests. Black with Red piping. $1125.00 plus shipping. Roger at 763-420-8159 or rljlolson@embarqmail.com . *

MG Original sales brochures: 1965-62, $35; 1963-68, $25; 1969-70, $18, 1971-80, $15. $4.95 shipping. Specify year, model. Have other MG models plus most cars/trucks, worldwide. Walter Miller, 6710 Brooklawn, Syracuse, NY 13211. 315-432-8282. fax; 315-432-8256. www.autolit.com . (in every issue)

MG Official shop manuals: $20-$42; parts manuals; $30-$48; Owners manuals: $19 Purchase & restoration guides: $19-$38; other books also. Ph: 206-721-3077, www.books4cars.com . (in every issue)

Parts for your MGB, MGB-GT and Midget at http://partssearch.mgclub.org. Also parts for all MGs and other vehicles! (in every issue)

OCTAGON ADVERTISERS (including Insurance, Parts, Publications, Service)


MG Midget hardtop wanted. Any condition. Please call Greg Abrams 805-405-3617 or email at gsabrams@msn.com . *

ORIGINAL leather covered seat bottom in red with black piping for 1966 MGB-GT. Either entire seat bottom or just cover as long as no tears. Allan at 860-721-7825 or email: allantrifiro@sbcglobal.net .*


35th Annual American MGB Association Meet 2012 and Brits on the Beach 2012, Ocean Grove, NJ. More info at www.mgclub.org  and at 773-769-7084 . Sponsored by Positive Earth Driver's Club, 732-620-2378 or show@PEDC.org , www.PEDC.org .

John Twist has reopened University Motors and continues the path he chose so many years ago. 2012 should prove to be an exceptional year. The MG Summer Party Reunion will be on August 17-19, 2012 and it will feature the pull handle MGB (62-64) in conjunction with the VSCDA and MG Vintage Racers. Contact him for all your MG needs at 616-301-2888 and www.universitymotorsltd.com .

Swap meet ads are free to AMGBA members.  Ads appear on our website, in the printed Octagon, in the emailed eOctagon, on the club website message board and on Facebook and Twitter. For others and for commercial suppliers the rate is $15.00 for 35 words or less.  See more info in the AD RATES area of our website.  (* appeared in last issue, ** appeared in previous issues)

AMGBA Meet 2012 and Brits on the Beach in Ocean Grove, New Jersey

AMGBA Meet 2012 and Brits on the Beach 2012


Contact: AMGBA at 773-769-7084 , meet@mgclub.org , www.mgclub.org 

American MGB Association’s 35th Annual Meet - AMGBA MEET 2012 - for the MGB, MGB-GT & Midget - Ocean Grove, New Jersey - September 15, 2012.  
Entry form in pdf format at http://pedctest.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/showreg.pdf .

MG sports car production as we know it was discontinued in 1980 with the closing of the famed Abingdon-On-Thames works in the United Kingdom. But these modern day classics are being preserved forever here in North America by members of the American MGB Association. Headquartered in Chicago, the AMGBA serves enthusiastic MGB, MGB-GT, and MG Midget owners throughout the USA, Canada and throughout the world. Each year, the AMGBA holds its National Meet.

The 1978 initial gathering was held in Chicago. In 1979 and 1980 the AMGBA National Conventions were held in New York state, in Ithaca and Glens Falls. The organization’s success led to renting the world famous Indianapolis 500 Motor Speedway in 1981 for the AMGBA National Convention. In 1982, the AMGBA held its National Convention outside the USA in Kingston, Ontario, Canada. In the years 1983 and 1984, the AMGBA went west for the first time in Lake Tahoe, California and Boulder, Colorado. In 1985, the AMGBA held two conventions in Santa Barbara, California and Abingdon, Illinois. In 1986, we visited Texas during its 150 year anniversary in San Antonio, Texas and in 1987 we visited the Saratoga Springs area of beautiful upstate New York. In 1988, the convention site was Kansas City, Missouri. In 1989, we visited the Great Northwest part of our country in Springfield, Oregon.

In 1990 the convention was held in Atlanta, Georgia which was a first for that area of the country. In 1991 we returned to the site of our first convention in Chicago and in 1992, we returned to the West Coast to the beautiful San Francisco Bay area in Palo Alto, California. In 1993, we traveled to New England at Keene, New Hampshire near the site of the Westminster MG Museum. In 1994, we went for the first time to the San Diego, California area at the Del Mar race track. In 1995 we went to Memphis, Tennessee, home of the blues and Elvis Presley. In 1996 we joined with all of the major MG clubs in North America for MG Indy '96 in Indianapolis, Indiana at the Indy 500 track. In 1997 we were on the West Coast in the San Francisco area at Palo Alto, California. In 1998, we were in Charlotte, North Carolina at the Lake Campus of Davidson College. In 1999, we went to Los Angeles, California.

In 2000, we went to Armagh, Pennsylvania and joined with the TRF Summer Party and in 2001 we were in Houston, Texas for the Houston MG Club's All British Motor Vehicle Exposition. In 2002 we again went to the San Francisco, California area for the Palo Alto British Car Meet. For 2003 we visited Florida and the Space Coast in Titusville, Florida. In 2004, we visited picturesque Cape Cod in Massachusetts for the Cape Cod British Car Club's British Legends Weekend. In 2005, we were in San Diego, California at Fairbrook Farms in Bonsall for San Diego British Car Day. We were in Maryland in 2006 at the MGs on the Rocks Show and in 2007 we went to Charlotte, North Carolina at the MGs on the Green Show. In 2008 we were in Armagh, Pennsylvania with The Roadster Factory Summer Party and for 2009 we planned for a show in the Central Valley of California.

In 2010 we went to Sussex, Wisconsin for the British Car Field Day. For 2011 we were in Ohio for the first time at Dayton in conjunction with the 27th Annual British Car Day at Eastwood Metropark.

And for 2012, we are going to the Jersey Shore in conjunction with the 15th Annual Brits on the Beach 2012 Show in Ocean Grove, New Jersey.

It promises to be a great time and a memorable experience for all that attend. For more information contact the above, write to the American MGB Association, P.O. Box 11401, Chicago, IL 60611, call 773-769-7084 , email us at meet@mgclub.org  or explore our web site at www.mgclub.org .

Queen B

This issue's Queen B is the '74 B of Roger Vincent. Here is his story:

My name is Roger Vincent and I own a 1974 MGB. The color is glacier white.

I am the second owner and bought the car through an estate auction of David Arnett, who passed away in July, 2011. His car placed second in class at the 2008 AMGBA Meet in Armagh, Pennsylvania in June 2008.

'74 B of Roger Vincent '74 B of Roger Vincent '74 B of Roger Vincent

In the News!


MG SUV Concept This is a picture of the car MG bosses hope will take on Land Rover in its own backyard.

The MG Icon was revealed at China’s biggest motoring event, the Beijing Motor Show.

Chinese-owned MG Motor UK threw out a direct challenge to heavyweight neighbours Land Rover by unveiling the Freelander-style vehicle.

The concept car was unveiled just weeks after the Mail revealed an SUV vehicle was in the pipeline at Longbridge.

The MG Icon has been created by the company’s Birmingham-based global design team, headed by British director Anthony Williams-Kenny, and has been inspired by some of MG’s most famous cars, including the MGA and MGB GT.

Although only a concept at this stage, a production version of the compact SUV is likely to form part of the next generation of vehicles produced at Longbridge.

Mr Williams-Kenny said: "The MG Icon represents our vision of a modern MG and we feel the small SUV canvas demonstrates MG’s capacity for progressive design with respect for its long heritage.

"The MG Icon highlights a global vision for MG’s design and represents a milestone for the brand, particularly this year which marks the 50th anniversary of the MG B."

The SUV plans emerged as MG Motor UK cranks up production levels following the launch last spring of the MG6, the first all-new MG for 16 years.

Questions and Answers

Please note: Questions and answers and Upkeep and Performance Hints are provided for information and advice purposes. No liability either express or implied is assumed by reliance on the information presented either by the writers or the AMGBA.

Some or all of the below is from our message board at http://board.amgba.com and website in the technical section at http://mgclub.org/mgtech.htm and this is just a part of what appears there and in the member magazine.

Also be sure to see our message board on our website for immediate help from fellow members.

More on Wire Wheel Conversion

Q: I am the guy from New Jersey who is putting wires on his '72 B and needs a question answered. I am going to take the plunge and order Dayton wires (currently six weeks for delivery). Before I do, will my 165SR14 tires accept a tube type wire rim? They sell tubeless rims but I am told tubes are better. I know little about wire wheels and have heard they "Chaff" or rub inside the radial tire. I have stock Rostyle wheels currently. I purchased a good '70 B rear wire axle and am ordering the stuff so I need your expertise on this. Thanks again.

Bob Tresch

A: Basically, tightening them is hitting them hard in the right direction with a specialized soft brass-head BFH. The soft brass hammer is available from any of the major catalogs, but it can cause damage to the chrome finish and knocks-offs themselves.

I wanted to avoid this typical damage to the knock-offs that occurs after repeated tightening.

There are all sorts of tricks, like buying a custom wooden tool (also available from most catalogs) or wrapping either the hammer head or the knock-off tip with a rag, but I went with another tool. I got a fairly heavy "dead blow" hammer. This is a mallet like hammer that is of cast thick plastic filled with lead shot and between the soft face and the slide-hammer like action of the lead shot works very well. I still tend to wrap the knock-off end with a rag.

Just something I may have mentioned or may just be obvious when you are ordering: There are right and left hubs and knockoffs. Many people miss this or mix them up in installation. The results can be dangerous, so please keep it in mind while working.

Also, remember to get the protector/liners or use tape for the wheels to make sure the tubes are not damaged by the wire tips inside the rims.

Also, you mentioned using the 165SR78-14 tires, which are only a bit larger than the originals, but still very narrow. The MGB body can use up to a 185SR70-14 on the stock 4.5" wide rims (though they will fit, I'd better recommend using the wider 6" wheels with these) or you can go to the MGC 6" wide 15" rims and use 185SR60-15 tire without modification. Believe me, the additional width of the tire adds tremendously to the ride and handling.

Glad to be of help.

Art Isaacs


Q (part 2): If it was not for the AMGBA and you of course you, I would have gone for wheel adapters also.

I am going to order the radial tubes, bands and knock offs. New leaf springs, bushings and hardware to follow. I will forward pictures. What is the proper tightening procedure when mounting these beauties? Thanks again!

Bob Tresch

A(part 2): Just to make a correction, it is the tubes that tend to chaff on the ends of the wires, not the radial tires themselves. The fix for that is rubber band like liner, sort of like you had on your bicycle wheels, or a heavy tape over the wire ends that does the same thing.

There are specific radial tubes that should be used as well, but beyond that, it's straight forward as any tube tire would be.

I would not recommend the tubeless arrangement, as I've not seen it work as well as the tubes do yet.

A reminder that the real trick is getting wheels balanced properly. Keep in mind the critical surfaces are the inside edge of the back of the center hub, not the wide flange, which is actually just a dust cover, and the outside edge of the front of the hub. Most shops will use a cone on the inside of the front of the hub and put the back flange against the machine face. Not accurate enough and could cause wobbles. Better to reverse the wheel with the outside face against the machine and the cone set to the back or inside of the hub.

I hope that helps you. Good luck and have fun.

Safety Fast!

Art Isaacs

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American MGB Association Grille Badge

American MGB Association grille badge, 3 color with chrome background, with mounting brackets. $45 plus $10 S&H. Available from the AMGBA by ordering on the website at http://orders.amgba.com or on the order form contained in each issue of the Octagon.

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American MGB Association Key Ring with Logo

AMGBA key ring with logo. $5 includes shipping. Available from the AMGBA by ordering on the website at http://orders.amgba.com or on the order form contained in each issue of the Octagon.

AMGBA Key Ring

Technical Sections Volume 3 (Now available in CD or PRINTED format)

A complete copy of all the Technical Sections, topics, questions and answers published in the OCTAGON from 1997 to 2007. Available on CD-ROM for PC or Mac (can be emailed with no shipping charges) or in printed version. It is indexed by category such as electrical, suspension, etc. for easy reference and accessibility and contains over 300 pages.

Available from the AMGBA by ordering on the website at http://orders.amgba.com or on the order form contained in each issue of the Octagon.

The CD version is $20 plus $5 S&H. It can be purchased as part of a 3 volume combo that contains Tech Sections Volume I, II & III for $70 plus $10 S&H.

The printed version is $30 plus $5 S&H. It can be purchased as part of a 3 volume combo that contains all 3 printed Tech Sections Volume I, II & III for $80 plus $10 S&H.

Technical Sections Volume I and Technical Sections Volume II are also available from the AMGBA. See the Club Regalia/Store area of Each volume is indexed by subject for easy reference and each contains over 300 pages and over 600 articles, topics, questions and answers.

Octagon Issues on CD

You can have the last 10 years of the Octagon easily accessible on your computer. Indexed by issue. These publications, which are no longer in print contain numerous and diverse articles and photos. Enjoy all the entertaining and informative stories that you can no longer get anywhere else and at a reasonable price.

Available from the AMGBA by ordering on the website http://orders.amgba.com or by using the order form contained in each issue of the Octagon. $15 plus $5 S& H.

Club Website Message Board, Blog, Photo Gallery and Social Networks

Club Message Board at http://board.amgba.com
Club Blog at http://blog.amgba.com
Club Photo Gallery at http://photos.amgba.com

The club has a new and much improved message board. This is something that many of our members have wanted for a long time. Be sure to check it out. You can access it through the club website at www.mgclub.org  or directly at http//board.amgba.com . We have a members only section of the message board. Members can request club membership to the Message Board by making the request in the form of a reply on the message board or by email to us.  This allows you to access the MEMBER ONLY QUESTION & ANSWER and UPKEEP & PERFORMANCE HINTS area.  It also allows you to post items in the FOR SALE and WANTED sections as well as post photos in the MEMBER PHOTOS area. You must first register for this Message Board site.  Be sure to include your membership name along with your membership number if known.

American MGB Association Message Board

The club also now has a Blog located at http://blog.amgba.com . Members can publish items to the Blog by making the request in the form of a comment on the Blog or by email.

American MGB Association Blog

The new American MGB Association photo gallery is located at http://photos.amgba.com . The same login is used for the gallery as the Message Board.

American MGB Association Photo Gallery

Find us on Facebook at www.facebook.com/americanmgbassociation and on Twitter at www.twitter.com/amgba.

Club Information

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