eOctagon # 67
the American MGB Association's
Online Newsletter
 sent to members of the AMGBA
May 2013


'77 B of Craig Holmen The AMGBA is North America's oldest and largest club for all MGBs, MGB-GTs and Midgets. A nonprofit organization which was founded in 1975 and offers magazines, emagazines, technical advice, member recommendations on service, body and parts sources, registration of your MG, a tradition of service and FREE member classified ads that appear in the Octagon magazine AND on the AMGBA website (http://www.mgclub.org or www.amgba.com or www.americanmgbassociation.com ).

Welcome to the latest edition of the eOctagon.  We suggest printing this out for ease of reading and for reference.  This is the May issue of your newsletter.  Please continue to send us any comments and/or suggestions.  

Please note: The next issue of the printed Octagon (June) will be mailed in May to our members that receive the printed version.

(top photo:  - '77 B of Craig Holmen

- Frank Ochal, President

This issue contains:
Events Calendar
Classified Ads
Chicago British Car Festival
Queen B - '
71 B of Ed George
American MGB Association Meet 2013
Meet 2013 Information
Technical Section - Questions and Answers
Club Website, Message Board, Blog, Photo Gallery and Social Networks
Club Information

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Events Calendar


29-June 2     British Car Week National Meet in Hot Springs, Arkansas, www.britishcarweeknationalmeet.org .

31-June 1     29th Annual British Bash, Louisville, KY. Greg at 502-727-9246 or gbwmn007@gmail.com , www.britishbash.com .

31-June 2     Champagne British Car Festival, Bloomington, IL. www.cbcf-bloomington.com .


7-9     61st Annual Rallye Glenwood Springs, CO. More info Steve Hart at stephen_hart45@msn.com or www.mgcc.org .

9     Annual British Motor Gathering, Hellertown, PA. show@keystonemg.com  or www.keystonemg.com/hellertown.html

15     British Field Day 2013, Liberty Park, Salt Lake City, UT. www.britishfieldday.com . email Bill Davis at: wld3rd@gmail.com  or Jon Hermance at: jhermance@earthfax.com .

16     32nd Annual British Car Field Day, Sussex, WI. John Stockinger 262-521-1072 or jstockinger4@wi.rr.com.


1-3     TRF Summer Party, Armagh, PA. Theme "County Fair". trfmail@aol.com , www.the-roadster-factory.com .
15-18     University Motors MG Summer Party Reunion, Grand Rapids, MI. www.universitymotorsltd.com .

25     24th Annual "Taste of Britain" British Car Show, Lancaster, PA. www.lancomgclub.com .


8     27th Annual Chicagoland British Car Festival at Harper College, Palatine, IL, www.britishcarunion.com .

20-21     36th Annual American MGB Association Meet 2013, www.mgclub.org, info@mgclub.org, 773-769-7084 in conjunction with the Mississippi English Motoring Club's Brits on the Bluff 2013 in Natchez, MS, contact John Turbeville at 601-940-5288, joturbe@comcast.net or www.msemc.org .

20-22     British Invasion Weekend, Stowe, Vermont. www.britishinvasion.com .

21     British Car Club of Delaware Annual Show. dhenderson@wildblue.net or 302-284-4672, www.bccdelaware.com .


5-6     British Car Show, San Diego, CA. craig.m@roadrunner.com , www.sandiegobritishcarday.org .

10-13     Classic MGs at Callaway, Pine Mountain, GA. More info: 404-966-4604 or www.semgtr.org or semgtr.gof@gmail.com .

Please submit news of your event. Events appear on our website at www.mgclub.org, on our message board at http://board.amgba.com, in the printed Octagon, in the emailed eOctagon and on Facebook and Twitter.  No claims concerning the items offered and no responsibility for any transactions as a result of the ad are made. Email to events@mgclub.org.   

Classified Ads


I am downsizing my MG collection. Please call for information on my concours MGC, survivor '76 Midget with 9,900 miles, 1979 MGB survivor with 9,800 miles, 1978 Supercharged MGB, 1980 MGB V6 conversion, 1974 1/2 MGB-GT. 631-988-5087 ask for Marc.

1966 MGB, clear title, all parts present, fair condition, drove OK before stored inside, floor pans installed, new tires with steel wheels, pictures can be sent, $1500. Tim at 419-271-2227 Northern Ohio. *

1971 MGB. Butterscotch/black. Estate - sale purchase, one owner since new, mechanically refurbished modernized, new top, otherwise un-restored original condition. $7,000.00 O.B.O. 304-263-4174. WV *

1977 MGB 1977 MGB. Medium blue, black interior and top. Car was purchased by a friend in 1987. He had the body work done, car repainted and a new top put on. I got the car in 1999. I put in new carpet, door panels, seat, head rest covers and padding. Extra parts. Garage keep. 88,500 miles. $3,900. Call Ed 708-751-0528.

'79 MG Midget 1979 MG Midget. Runs good, looks good. Lots of new parts - Weber carb. $3,800. O.B.O. Call Skip at 931-387-4924. TN *


MG Original sales brochures: 1965-62, $35; 1963-68, $25; 1969-70, $18, 1971-80, $15. $4.95 shipping. Specify year, model. Have other MG models plus most cars/trucks, worldwide. Walter Miller, 6710 Brooklawn, Syracuse, NY 13211. 315-432-8282. fax; 315-432-8256. www.autolit.com . (in every issue)

MG Official shop manuals: $20-$42; parts manuals; $30-$48; Owners manuals: $19 Purchase & restoration guides: $19-$38; other books also. Ph: 206-721-3077, www.books4cars.com . (in every issue)

Parts for your MGB, MGB-GT and Midget at http://partssearch.mgclub.org. Also parts for all MGs and other vehicles! (in every issue)

OCTAGON ADVERTISERS (including Insurance, Parts, Publications, Service)


None in this issue.


Meet 2013 will be held in historic Natchez, Mississippi on September 20 -21, 2013 in conjunction with the English Motoring Club's Brits on the Bluff. The show will be held on a bluff overlooking the Mississippi River on Saturday with a pre-show get together on Friday night. Natchez is the oldest city on the Mississippi River, the start of the Natchez Trail and was a strategic location during the civil war. The host hotel is the Vue Hotel (phone number: 888-946-4727) which has a block of rooms as the English Motoring Club. Contact the American MGB Association at 773-769-7084, email: info@mgclub.org , www.mgclub.org or in Mississippi: John Turbeville at 601-940-5288, joturbe@comcast.net or www.msemc.org .

John Twist has reopened University Motors and continues the path he chose so many years ago. Contact him for all your MG needs at 616-301-2888 and www.universitymotorsltd.com .**

Swap meet ads are free to AMGBA members.  Ads appear on our website, in the printed Octagon, in the emailed eOctagon, on the club website message board and on Facebook and Twitter. For others and for commercial suppliers the rate is $15.00 for 35 words or less.  See more info in the AD RATES area of our website.  (* appeared in last issue, ** appeared in previous issues)

Chicagoland British Car Festival

26th Annual Chicagoland British Car Festival Delights Hundreds

Story by Jack Feldman, photos by Elliott Dudnick, Rich Ziolkowski, Stephanie Quirk and Steve Partman

Once again British car owners and enthusiasts were greeted by blue skies and gentle breezes. Owners displayed over 500 cars and motorcycles which were appreciated by more that 1,400 British car enthusiasts. The event took place on Sunday, September 9, 2012 at Harper college just outside of Chicago, Illinois. The Festival was sponsored by the British Car Union, a not for profit organization, made up of representatives of over a dozen Chicago British car clubs.

It was an ideal day to explore other marques and meet other lovers of British cars. Vendors came from all over the country selling everything from books to rare parcels for restoration. Entertainment was supplied by bagpiper Scott McCawley, and the graceful Thistle and Highland dancers.

A special traveling coffee mug was waiting for the first 500 registrants, and many automobile related door prizes were awarded. For the hungry enthusiast food vendors presented traditional delights.

The Donald M. Healey Memorial Rally on Saturday started the festivities. Awards for the winners were presented Sunday at the festival.

Mark your calendar for our 27th Annual Festival on September 8, 2013. Next year's event will again be held at Harper College in Palatine, Illinois. It is an event you won't want to miss. Be sure to watch our website at www.britishcarunion.com for the latest information.

2012 Chicago British Car Festival 2012 Chicago British Car Festival 2012 Chicago British Car Festival   2012 Chicago British Car Festival

Queen B

This issue's Queen B is the '71 B of Ed George of Anoka, Minnesota. Here is his story:

This is my 1971 MGB. It has 51,000 miles on it and she runs great. This was the first car that I always wanted. I used to dream about owning one of these a (1971 MGB Yellow) when I used to walk my girlfriend home every night when I was 15.

Well I finally got this one 35 years later. I have prettied her up these last three years and she is starting to look great!

'71 B of Ed George '71 B of Ed George '71 B of Ed George

American MGB Association Meet 2013


Contact: The American MGB Association at 773-769-7084 , info@mgclub.org  or www.mgclub.org

The American MGB Association’s 36th Annual Meet - AMGBA MEET 2013 - for the MGB, MGB-GT & Midget - Natchez, Mississippi - September 20-21, 2013

MG sports car production as we know it was discontinued in 1980 with the closing of the famed Abingdon-On-Thames works in the United Kingdom. But these modern day classics are being preserved forever here in North America by members of the American MGB Association.

Headquartered in Chicago, the AMGBA serves enthusiastic MGB, MGB-GT, and MG Midget owners throughout the USA, Canada and throughout the world. Each year, the AMGBA holds its National Meet.

The 1978 initial gathering was held in Chicago. In 1979 and 1980 the AMGBA National Conventions were held in New York state, in Ithaca and Glens Falls. The organization's success led to renting the world famous Indianapolis 500 Motor Speedway in 1981 for the AMGBA National Convention. In 1982, the AMGBA held its National Convention outside the USA in Kingston, Ontario, Canada. In the years 1983 and 1984, the AMGBA went west for the first time in Lake Tahoe, California and Boulder, Colorado. In 1985, the AMGBA held two conventions in Santa Barbara, California and Abingdon, Illinois. In 1986, we visited Texas during its 150 year anniversary in San Antonio, Texas and in 1987 we visited the Saratoga Springs area of beautiful upstate New York. In 1988, the convention site was Kansas City, Missouri. In 1989, we visited the Great Northwest part of our country in Springfield, Oregon.

In 1990 the convention was held in Atlanta, Georgia which was a first for that area of the country. In 1991 we returned to the site of our first convention in Chicago and in 1992, we returned to the West Coast to the beautiful San Francisco Bay area in Palo Alto, California. In 1993, we traveled to New England at Keene, New Hampshire near the site of the Westminster MG Museum. In 1994, we went for the first time to the San Diego, California area at the Del Mar race track. In 1995 we went to Memphis, Tennessee, home of the blues and Elvis Presley. In 1996 we joined with all of the major MG clubs in North America for MG Indy '96 in Indianapolis, Indiana at the Indy 500 track. In 1997 we were on the West Coast in the San Francisco area at Palo Alto, California. In 1998, we were in Charlotte, North Carolina at the Lake Campus of Davidson College. In 1999, we went to Los Angeles, California.

In 2000, we went to Armagh, Pennsylvania and joined with the TRF Summer Party and in 2001 we were in Houston, Texas for the Houston MG Club's All British Motor Vehicle Exposition. In 2002 we again went to the San Francisco, California area for the Palo Alto British Car Meet. For 2003 we visited Florida and the Space Coast in Titusville, Florida. In 2004, we visited picturesque Cape Cod in Massachusetts for the Cape Cod British Car Club's British Legends Weekend. In 2005, we were in San Diego, California at Fairbrook Farms in Bonsall for San Diego British Car Day. We were in Maryland in 2006 at the MGs on the Rocks Show and in 2007 we went to Charlotte, North Carolina at the MGs on the Green Show. In 2008 we were in Armagh, Pennsylvania with The Roadster Factory Summer Party and for 2009 we planned for a show in the Central Valley of California.

In 2010 we went to Sussex, Wisconsin for the British Car Field Day. For 2011 we were in Ohio for the first time at Dayton in conjunction with the Annual British Car Day at Eastwood Metropark. We went to the Jersey Shore in 2012 with the Annual Brits on the Beach Show in Ocean Grove, New Jersey.

And for 2013, we visit Mississippi for the first time to the oldest city on the Mississippi River in conjunction with the English Motoring Club of Mississippi's Brits on the Bluff Show in Natchez, Mississippi.

For more information contact the American MGB Association, P.O. Box 11401, Chicago, IL 60611, call 773-769-7084 , email us at info@mgclub.org  or explore our web site at www.mgclub.org .

Meet 2013 Information

 Meet 2013 in Natchez, Missiissippi

36th Annual


Natchez, Mississippi


September 20-21, 2013

Natchez, Mississippi is the oldest city on the Mississippi River

in conjunction with the English Motoring Club of Mississippi's Brits on the Bluff 2013

Car show on Saturday and pre-show get together on Friday night!

The host hotel is The Vue Hotel (phone number: 888-946-4727)

which has a block of rooms as the English Motoring Club.


the American MGB Association at 773-769-7084

or AMGBA, P. O. Box 11401, Chicago, IL 60611; fax: 773-769-3240

email: info@mgclub.org 

www.mgclub.org or www.amgba.com  or www.americanmgbassociation.com

or in Mississippi: John Turbeville at 601-940-5288, joturbe@comcast.net or www.msemc.org

if you are planning to attend contact the above to
be placed on a mailing list for any last minute details.

The American MGB Association (AMGBA) was established in 1975 and has provided continuous services to owners of MGBs, MGB-GTs and Midgets throughout North America since then. National conventions have been held annually since 1978 from New York to California and Texas to Canada.

Membership in the AMGBA is not required to attend the convention but it is encouraged. For membership info call 773-769-7084 or write to:

AMGBA, P. O. Box 11401, Chicago, IL 60611 U.S.A.

Membership is $35 per year or $45 per year outside the U.S.A.

Technical Section - Questions and Answers

Please note: Questions and answers and Upkeep and Performance Hints are provided for information and advice purposes. No liability either express or implied is assumed by reliance on the information presented either by the writers or the AMGBA.

Some or all of the below is from our message board at http://board.amgba.com, Facebook group at www.facebook.com/groups/americanmgbassociation and website in the technical section at http://mgclub.org/mgtech.htm and this is just a part of what appears there and in the member magazine.

Also be sure to see our message board on our website and Facebook group for immediate help from fellow members.

Tire Size, Bumper, Carburetor and Motor Mounts

Q:     I have a number of quick questions. First, my 1977 MGB has the original "Rostyle" wheels 14" - what tire size do you suggest?

Second - the bottom clamping bar rotted off under the rear rubber bumper, the bumper seems secure, should that clamping bar be replaced?

Third - A mechanic replaced my throttle cable and eliminated the two throttle linkage return springs that went to the air filter, he said the spring on the carb "Zenith Stromberg" is all that's needed - is that correct?

Fourth - Can the motor mounts be replaced without pulling the engine?

Thank you in advance.

    Don Boudwin

A:     Let me address your questions as they were asked.

1) The largest size tire the MGB body will accommodate without modification is a 185R70-14. This is what I've used for years and like the ride and handling associated.

However, I'm using oversized wire wheels on my car (14x6 as opposed to the stock Rostyle wheel at 14x4.5). While the 185's will fit the stock Rostyles, the narrow rim width is not as well suited to them and there is potential fault putting those large tires on such a narrow rim.

With those wheels, I'd suggest staying with a maximum of a 175R70-14 as they fit the rim width a bit better and still maintain a decent footprint to improve the ride and handling over any of the stock size tires.

2) The lower clamping plate is not structural, but does secure the plastic bumper cover to the frame. If it were my car, I would replace it

3) On the Zenith carb, there are shaft-mounted return springs that should do the job, but then so do the HIF4 series carbs. I've had the external springs break and find the throttles not seating adequately without them. With the age of the car and the fact that these springs do weaken with age, I would have left those external return springs in place.

4) Yes the motor mounts can be done with the engine in the car. I've done it myself. Takes a bit over an hour using a floor jack. Remove the bolts and raise the engine up from the front using a wood block along the front of the oil pan just enough as to be able to slide the mounts out and in. The hard part is in lowering the engine to make sure all the bolt line-up. Because of the lack of clearance, drift or alignment pins tend to be too long. I was able do without, but just some long bolts to be removed later can help. I have put the bolts holding the mounts to block loosely in place and used a long pry bar and wood blocks to make the engine and mount positions final as necessary.

A tip to save skinning your knuckles is to invest in a couple of "stubby" box/open-end wrenches, as they fit more easily in the tight spaces around the block. The ratcheting types are expensive (about $60 a set from Sears or Lowe's), but work best. You really only need a few sizes (maybe 7/16", 1/2" and 9/16"). I am not sure if you even need all these, but you can check on your car first. Also, be sure to order new flex-lock nuts and bolts. Makes reinstallation easy and assures they lock down tight and stay there.

I hope that helps you. Let me know if you have any other questions or I can be of any help.

    Art Isaacs

Club Store Items

American MGB Association Key Ring with Logo

AMGBA key ring with logo. $5 includes shipping. Available from the AMGBA by ordering on the website at http://orders.amgba.com or on the order form contained in each issue of the Octagon.

AMGBA Key Ring

Technical Sections Volume 3 (Now available in CD or PRINTED format)

A complete copy of all the Technical Sections, topics, questions and answers published in the OCTAGON from 1997 to 2007. Available on CD-ROM for PC or Mac (can be emailed with no shipping charges) or in printed version. It is indexed by category such as electrical, suspension, etc. for easy reference and accessibility and contains over 300 pages.

Available from the AMGBA by ordering on the website at http://orders.amgba.com or on the order form contained in each issue of the Octagon.

The CD version is $20 plus $5 S&H. It can be purchased as part of a 3 volume combo that contains Tech Sections Volume I, II & III for $70 plus $10 S&H.

The printed version is $30 plus $5 S&H. It can be purchased as part of a 3 volume combo that contains all 3 printed Tech Sections Volume I, II & III for $80 plus $10 S&H.

Technical Sections Volume I and Technical Sections Volume II are also available from the AMGBA. See the Club Regalia/Store area of Each volume is indexed by subject for easy reference and each contains over 300 pages and over 600 articles, topics, questions and answers.

Octagon Issues on CD

You can have the last 10 years of the Octagon easily accessible on your computer. Indexed by issue. These publications, which are no longer in print contain numerous and diverse articles and photos. Enjoy all the entertaining and informative stories that you can no longer get anywhere else and at a reasonable price.

Available from the AMGBA by ordering on the website http://orders.amgba.com or by using the order form contained in each issue of the Octagon. $15 plus $5 S& H.

Club Website Message Board, Blog, Photo Gallery and Social Networks

Club Message Board at http://board.amgba.com
Club Blog at http://blog.amgba.com
Club Photo Gallery at http://photos.amgba.com

The club has a message board which can be accessed through the club website at www.mgclub.org  or directly at http//board.amgba.com . We have a members only section of the message board. Members can request club membership to the Message Board by making the request in the form of a reply on the message board or by email to us.  This allows you to access the MEMBER ONLY QUESTION & ANSWER and UPKEEP & PERFORMANCE HINTS area.  It also allows you to post items in the FOR SALE and WANTED sections as well as post photos in the MEMBER PHOTOS area. You must first register for this Message Board site.  Be sure to include your membership name along with your membership number if known.

American MGB Association Message Board

The club also now has a Blog located at http://blog.amgba.com . Members can publish items to the Blog by making the request in the form of a comment on the Blog or by email.

American MGB Association Blog

The new American MGB Association photo gallery is located at http://photos.amgba.com . The same login is used for the gallery as the Message Board.

American MGB Association Photo Gallery

Find us on Facebook at www.facebook.com/americanmgbassociation and on Twitter at www.twitter.com/amgba.

Club Information

Remember the main AMGBA website (at http://www.mgclub.org) always contains the following items which are updated after each eOctagon is sent out:

Club Message Board at http://board.amgba.com
Club Blog at http://blog.amgba.com
Club Photo Gallery at http://photos.amgba.com
Classified ads are located at: http://ads.amgba.com
Events listings are located at: http://events.amgba.com
http://members.amgba.com) including tech staff contact info, spare parts listings, member recommendations on shops and complete copies of the Octagon.

You can also renew or join (http://dues.amgba.com) or order regalia or store items online (at http://orders.amgba.com).

The eOctagon is sent to members of the American MGB Association as an additional benefit for members that have given us their email address. Each member should notify the club of any changes to their email address.

If you do not wish to receive any more of these emails, please send an email to info@mgclub.org indicating you wish to opt out.

American MGB Association
P. O. Box 11401
Chicago, 60611 U.S.A.
Phone/Text: 773-769-7084
fax: 773-769-3240
mgclub.org or http://www.mgclub.org or www.amgba.com

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